Rama, Sita, Sacrificial Fire (Rudra Gyan Yagya), Agni/Fire
The discussion can be found after the following, which gives an outline of the discussions etc in the posts of this article:
Post 1 (posted on Dec 24, 2011): includes a discussion on the 'Silver/Copper Aged' births, the King of Bharath, Rama.
Post 2 (posted on Dec 28, 2011): Links provided.
Post 3 (posted on Jan 5, 2012 ): includes a Confluence Aged explanation on Ramayana, Rama, Sita and the sacrificial fire
Post 4 (posted on Jan 7, 2012): includes a discussion on the Confluence Aged sacrificial fire; Rudra Gyan Yagya; Yagya Kund
Post 5 (posted on Jan 11, 2012): includes a discussion on God's role as Shiva and Rudra; Rudra's destructive and fierce form like that of a formidable wild beast
Post 6 (posted on Jan 15, 2012): includes a discussion on Agni; Shiva/Rudra playing the role of Agni at the End.
Post 7 (posted on 10-8-2013): provided links
Vishnu Avatars in the Four Ages
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Post 1 (posted on Dec 24, 2011):
(includes a discussion on the 'Silver/Copper Aged' births, the King of Bharath, Rama)
The myth, for the Ramayana, was begun by those who were in the Confluence between the Silver and Copper Ages. In the spiritual sense, they have already lost their divine world. So, I refer to them as 'Copper Aged'. And I still prefer to refer to them as Copper Aged because, in the spiritual sense, they are not in the Silver Age anymore. However, it cannot be said that they are Copper Aged because they have to take their next birth as the Copper Aged kings. They can be seen as Silver Aged because they are still using the bodies that were born in the Silver Age. They are, actually, in the Confluence between the Silver and Copper Ages because the corporeal world is transforming back into the ordinary imperfect state. Though I have been referring to them as Copper Aged, in all my articles before this, I have decided to refer to them as Silver/Copper Aged from now onwards.
The kings, in the Silver Age, are Rama. The kings, in the first half cycle, were enjoying the fruit of their spiritual effort-making (done during the previous Confluence Age, at the Endof the cycle). Thus, Rama was said to have been born in the Tretayuga, in the Ikshvaku vamsa/clan. He was seen as being a descendant of the Ikshvaku vamsa/clan because that which is enjoyed in the first half Cycle is a continuation of the Confluence Age. He belonged to a clan that was created through the Confluence Aged clan. More on the fruit of their spiritual effort-making, can be found at:
The Rama (or Ramas) who had walked out of the divine world were also seen as belonging to the clan which is a continuation of the Confluence Aged clan because the Confluence between the Silver and Copper Ages is connected to the Confluence Age, at the End of the cycle. When the souls lose their divine state, they remember all that had happened to enable them to enjoy the divine state. Those were the last memories they had in their previous ordinary state.
The first half cycle belongs to a different spiritual dimension. The ordinary world, at the beginning of the Copper Age, is a continuation from the ordinary world that existed at the Endof the previous cycle. Further, the divinity (that was gained in the Confluence Age, at the End of the cycle) is lost at the end of the Silver Age. This connects the consciousness of the Silver/Copper Aged kings to the Confluence Age at the End of the previous cycle. More on this can be found at:
Ancient Connection Between Copper Age and the End
The soul (within the King of Bharath) was used by God as Brahma Baba, in the Confluence Age (at the End of the cycle). God used Brahma Baba as a chariot, in the Confluence Age (at the End of the cycle). God also plays the role of Rama, at the End of the cycle. So, the King of Bharath (during the Confluence between the Silver and Copper Ages) played the role of Rama in the life-dramas etc. He was also seen as Rama, the instrument of God (after the deity souls had walked out of their divine world). This is also a reason why Rama reflects both, God and a human being. God cannot be a human being. But since human beings were seen as being used by God (on earth), Rama was also portrayed like a human being.
God plays the role of Rama at the End of the cycle. God, as Rama, is the creator of the Deity Religion. This is what the Ramayana is all about. It is about how God searches for the deity souls (Sitas) so as to establish the Deity Religion. This will be discussed in my next post here.
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Post 2 (posted on Dec 28, 2011):
More on the Ramayana and the Mahabharatha can be found at the 4th post at Nuclear Weapons used in Ancient Times
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Post 3 (posted on Jan 5, 2012 ):
(includes a Confluence Aged explanation on Ramayana, Rama, Sita and the sacrificial fire)
Ramayana means, and is about, “Rama's Journey”. So, I shall begin with explanations on Rama's journey.
In the Ramayana, Rama represents God. Sita represents the deity souls, in the old world, at the End of the cycle. The Kingdom of Ravana (Lanka) represents the old world that exists at the End of the cycle. Rama's journey to find Sita, who is in the Kingdom of Ravana, represents God finding the deity souls in the old world, at the End of the cycle. God has to find the deity souls because he has to bring the deity souls back into the Confluence Age; and, later, God will take them into the divine world that would exist in the first half cycle. This 'finding process' takes a long time to complete because there are so many deity souls, who have to be brought into the Confluence Age. Thus, the story made the 'journey' look like as if it took a long time to complete.
Sita is a role that represented the deity souls through the cycle. The deity souls can be seen as playing an important role with God through the cycle; though, in the first half cycle, they are only enjoying the benefits of their spiritual effort-making (which was done at the End of the previous cycle). The deity souls are involved with world transformation at the End of each cycle. They help God with service, for world transformation, as Parvati (the wives of God). Then, when the divine world transforms back into the ordinary world, they are involved with paving the way for religions (from the beginning of the Copper Age). Further, the deity souls will always remain as deity souls, even though they have lost their divine state (at the end of the Silver Age). Thus, it was portrayed like as if the wives of God (as Sita) went into exile (from the beginning of the Copper Age). They were also portrayed as, later, being in the kingdom of Ravana that would exist in Kaliyug.
In Kaliyug, the souls are more impure than pure. So, it is as if Ravana has re-gained his rule in the world. There is a discussion on the world being more impure, in Kaliyug, at:
New Souls, Satopradhan, Sato, Rajo and Tamo
From the beginning of the Copper Age and in Kaliyug, the deity souls will only be yearning to be with God, as they were during the previous Confluence Age. They wanted to live in the divine world again and so they wanted to be with God. They did not like the world where the vices existed and so, they were waiting for the day when God will come and safe them again. Thus, they portrayed themselves as waiting for God (as Sita), in Ravana's Kingdom.
In the Copper Age, the deity souls were involved with creating religions (as instruments of God). Thus, it was as if they were still with God (even though they had gone into exile).
The kingdom, in the divine world, is God's kingdom because God got it created. Thus, when the divine world was lost, it was as if God had lost his kingdom. The deity souls lost their divine world too because it was the deity souls who lived in the divine world. Thus, in the Ramayana, the deity souls (as the wives of God) were portrayed as having no choice but to go into exile too because they have to be with their husband. In Kaliyug, since the world is more impure than pure, these deity souls are in the Kingdom of Ravana. Thus, the Ramayana portrayed Sita as being captured by Ravana (the vices/devil). And Sita was portrayed as waiting for her Husband/God to come and rescue her because God comes into the corporeal world, at the End of every cycle, so as to transform the world into the divine world.
The different roles used in the myths portray the different roles used by the deity souls. For example, Draupadi is a role that is born through the Confluence Aged sacrificial fire, after the soul comes into the Confluence Age. This means that the soul plays the role of Draupadi after it has come into the Confluence Age. The soul plays this role, of Draupadi, at the End of the cycle, for world unity. Sita, on the other hand, represents the deity souls (in the old world) who have to be rescued by God. They were the wives of God, though they are not with God in Ravana's kingdom. After being rescued, they have to go into the sacrificial fire for the purification process. During the purification process, they live a spiritual life, in the Confluence Age, until the soul takes it's next birth in the new cycle.
God has to find the deity souls so that the deity souls can come back to God and begin their purification process, in the Confluence Age. This is why Sita was required to go into the sacrificial fire (after she was found).
In the Ramayana, after Sita was rescued from Ravana's kingdom, Rama asked Sita to go into the sacrificial fire so as to prove, to the whole world, that Sita was a virtuous lady who thought of none except her husband. This portrayed the state which the deity souls have to be in (as the wives of God), for the purification process which takes place in the Confluence Age. Read the following article so to understand why we have to be like the loyal wives of God, during the Confluence Age:
Love Links us to God
A wive will be in love with her husband and she will be always thinking of him and doing everything for him. We have to be like that wive who:
1. only remembers God (as her Husband) and
2. only does everything for God (her Husband).
One must emerge the love, which one has for God, to get linked to Him. Seeing oneself as the 'wife of God' (who is in love with her Husband) will help to emerge that love for God. Remembering only God, with love, will link one to God. Through that link, one goes into the Confluence Aged sacrificial fire where one gets purified. To get purified, in the Confluence Age, one must become like the devoted wive who thinks of no-one and of nothing else other than her Husband/God. One must only remember God so as to get purified. Thus, it was portrayed that Sita has to go into the sacrificial fire; and she was portrayed as being safe in the sacrificial fire. She was portrayed walking out "as the pure woman who she was" because Sita represented the 'deity souls' were destined to be the pure wives of God. "Sita not getting burnt in the fire" represented that the deity souls cannot get burnt while they are in the Confluence Aged sacrificial fire. The Confluence Aged sacrificial fire is not a real fire. It consists of God's energies, in the Confluence Aged subtle region, which are purifying the deity souls. I will be discussing the sacrificial fire, in my next post.
Sita was portray as being unharmed, while she was in the fire, because we are not harmed by the purification process that takes place in the Confluence Aged subtle regions. In the myths, Sita was portrayed as glowing radiantly from the centre of the pyre because it represents our pure subtle state when we are being purified. Agni was portrayed as destroying the impure and sinful, and he was portrayed as not touching the pure and innocent (while they are in the fire) because this is what happens, in the Confluence Aged subtle regions, when we are being purified. All our impurities (vices) and sins get burnt away and we are left in a pure, virtuous, innocent state (during the purification process). When Sita goes into the sacrificial fire, she was portrayed as being under the protection of the god of fire (Agni) because we are under God's protection in the Confluence Aged subtle regions (during the purification process).
Rama was portrayed as having watched while Sita walked into the fire because God keeps a watch over us while we are being purified. Rama was portrayed as being in the corporeal world while Sita went into the sacrificial fire because, at the End of each cycle, God comes and stays in the corporeal world until the purification process is completely over. Until then, God stays in the corporeal world while the purification process takes place in the Confluence Aged subtle region.
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Post 4 (posted on Jan 7, 2012):
(includes a discussion on the Confluence Aged sacrificial fire; Rudra Gyan Yagya; Yagya Kund)
'Yagya' refers to the sacrificial fire into which sacrifices are thrown. At the beginning of the Confluence Age, God (as Rudra) created the Confluence Aged sacrificial fire. In the sakar murlis, this sacrificial fire is referred to as the Rudra Gyan Yagya (Sacrificial Fire of the Knowledge of Rudra). It is called Rudra Gyan Yagya because listening to God's spiritual knowledge brings one into this sacrificial fire for the purification process. When one is listening to the sakar murlis, during the early morning hours, one will easily go and sit in this Confluence Aged sacrificial fire and get purified. In fact, anytime, when we listen to or churn the Confluence Age spiritual knowledge, we immediately go into this Confluence Agedsacrificial fire.
The Rudra Gyan Yagya is a symbolic sacrificial fire where Confluence Aged souls (as Brahmins) sacrifice their vices into the fire. There is no fire in the subtle regions. However, since God's energies are burning away all our vices, it is as if there is a sacrificial fire in the Confluence Aged subtle region (in which our vices are getting burnt).
While we are in the Rudra Gyan Yagya, we become Lakshmi and Narayan from an ordinary woman and man. Another way of saying this is that we transform (from the ordinary man into the deities) as we listen and churn on the spiritual knowledge. The new world and the new Deity Religion are also created through this sacrificial fire. This means that the old world is getting destroyed in this sacrificial fire. I will be discussing this in my next article.
God created this sacrificial fire of knowledge through using Brahma Baba. The spiritual knowledge, which God gives through Brahma Baba, gives birth to all the Confluence AgedBrahmins who will sacrifice all their vices into the sacrificial fire.
God's spiritual knowledge, given in the Brahma Kumaris, enable the listeners to sit in the subtle region. Thus, they are sitting in the sacrificial fire at that time, when they are listening to the spiritual knowledge. But BKs often refer to their institution (the Brahma Kumaris) as the Yagya for various reasons. The Brahma Kumaris was the place where Godhad given the Confluence Aged spiritual knowledge as the sakar murlis. All other Confluence Aged spiritual knowledge, given later through other chariots etc, are only based on these sakar murlis. The Brahma Kumaris was also the place where the initial "students" sacrificed their vices to God. There weren't any other groups, which had branched off to start a new Confluence Aged group, at that time. Further, God sees the BKs, who are listening to the murlis, as souls; and the members of the Brahma Kumaris have to view themselves as souls too, so as to easily attain the soul-conscious. While they are in this soul-conscious stage, they are in the Confluence Aged sacrificial fire. The aim is that BKs should always be in this sacrificial fire and so it was as if the Brahma Kumaris was the Yagya. Further, BKs should see the institution as the Yagya and they should view themselves as being in the Yagya because their thoughts (that they are in the Yagya) will help to bring them into the spiritual Yagya easily. Further, the deity souls surrender their corporeal bodies, mind and wealth (tan, man, dan) to become Brahmins, as they surrender themselves into the institution. In this sense, too, the institution can be seen as the yagya because it is the place where the sacrifices are made.
But in the true sense of the word, the institution is not the spiritual yagya. Surrendering the body, mind and wealth has to be done in the spiritual sense. If the surrender is not in the spiritual sense, then, the sacrifice is not that great a sacrifice. The buildings also can never take the place of the spiritual sacrificial fire, though living a life in a place which is filled with spiritual knowledge helps one to easily go beyond into the soul-conscious stage.
By the End of the cycle, even the power of the gathering will help one to easily go and sit in the Confluence Aged sacrificial fire. But this does not mean that we no longer need the spiritual knowledge. This is why it is called Rudra Gyan Yagya. The Confluence Aged sacrificial fire includes both, the fire of yoga and the fire of knowledge. But one cannot ignite the fire of Yoga without the fire of knowledge. It is the fire of knowledge which has to be used to ignite the fire of yoga. Gyan means knowledge. Emphasis has to be given to the spiritual knowledge because:
1. the spiritual knowledge helps to bring us into the Confluence Aged subtle region (where the sacrificial fire is)
2. there is a need to provide clarification because of all the confusion which we have created from the beginning of the Copper Age.
I will not be referring to the Brahma Kumaris or anything else (that is corporeal) as the Confluence Aged Yagya because the Confluence Aged Yagya is God's energies burning away our impurities while we are in the Confluence Aged subtle region. They get burnt when we are in yoga with God. Through listening to and churning on God's spiritual knowledge, our vices and sins are burnt through the fire of yoga with God. Whoever, is a member of the Confluence Age is expected to be sitting in the spiritual yagya. The spiritual Yagya is in the Confluence Aged subtle region where all deity souls (as the wives of God) would be in the pure state during the purification process.
The places where we are given spiritual knowledge can be seen as the Yagya Kund. The Yagya Kund is the place where the sacrificial fire is lit. Thus, the Brahma Kumaris can also be seen as the Yagya Kund. But since the sacrificial fire is in the subtle region, that is where the fire is also lit; and so, the subtle region can also be seen as the Yagya Kund. The Confluence Aged sacrificial fire is in this Yagya Kund (Confluence Aged subtle region).
Though Rudra is incorporeal, he uses instruments on earth and the sacrificial fire involves transformation of that which is in the corporeal too. So, in this sense, the sacrificial fire does include the corporeal as well. I will discuss this in my next post.
More on the sacrificial fire can be found at:
Part 9 - 2012 Protection (During Destruction) and the Gathering for World Transformation - Draupadi & fire
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNKt15Lzkxg
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdf1j0_part-9-2012-protection-during-destr_people
http://www.livevideo.com/video/CEAFC3B620FC431A853D2231A6348D28/part-9-2012-protection-duri.aspx
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Post 5 (posted on Jan 11, 2012):
(includes a discussion on God's role as Shiva and Rudra; Rudra's destructive and fierce form like that of a formidable wild beast)
God can be given various names based on the various roles which He plays. Where the Confluence Aged role is concerned, Shiva is the best name for God. In this post, I will not be discussing why Shiva is the best name for God's Confluence Aged role. I will be just having a brief discussion on God's role as Shiva and Rudra.
In the Hindu scriptures, Shiva was associated to invincibility, brilliance and might because Shiva represents God. God remains as mighty as He is, eternally, so that human soulscan get re-charged (after having come into the corporeal world) at the End of each cycle.
In the myths, Shiva has been portrayed as the Destroyer and Benefactor in memory of the Confluence Aged role which God plays. Shiva was portrayed as benign, auspicious, and as a figure of honor and delight, because God is involved with the creation of the new perfect world which will exist at the beginning of the Golden Age/Satyug.
God/Shiva has various roles to play in the Confluence Age too. Two of these have been portrayed as Rudra and Agni, in the Hindu scriptures. I am discussing Rudra in the present post. Agni will be discussed in my next post.
Rudra reflects Shiva's fearsome aspects relating to the role which God/Shiva plays in respect of destruction of the old world, at the End of the cycle. Thus, in the Hindu scriptures, Rudra has been portrayed to assume a fierceful form, as being terrible and malignant, as a frightening god, as a destructive deity and as being fierce like a formidable wild beast because of the destructive events that take place at the End of the cycle. The name Rudra has been translated as "the Wild One", "Terrific" or "the Fierce God" for the same reasons.
Rudra has been portrayed as a controller of nature, a god of the roaring storm and diseases, god of the wind, and as the father of the Hindu storm gods Marut because, at the Endof the cycle, nature serves us to:
1. remove the old world so that the new perfect world can exist in it's place,
2. cleanse the world so that a beautiful world will remain.
In the myths, there are similarities between Shiva and Rudra because these similarities are in respect of the same destructive events and purification process that would take place at the End of the cycle. I will be discussing Agni, the Flames of Purification and the Flames of Destruction in my next few posts.
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Post 6 (posted on Jan 15, 2012):
(includes a discussion on Agni; Shiva/Rudra playing the role of Agni at the End)
The ancient people portrayed Agni to have many forms. Some of those forms are his corporeal forms and the other forms are his ritual forms. At the beginning of the Copper Age, Agni was associated to corporeal and ritual forms because:
1. Agni represents the Confluence Aged sacrificial fire, in which (it is as if) the whole world burns during the transformation/purification process while the Confluence Aged Brahmins are sacrificing their vices etc into this sacrificial fire,
2. Agni represents all the corporeal forms which can be classified as 'fire' during the destructive events that take place, at the End of the cycle. This was why Agni was portrayed as being in the sky as well as at the center of the earth.
Agni means fire in sanskrit. Sanskrit was begun, at the beginning of the Copper Age, for bhakti/worship. With time, anything that involves fire, energy and heat was associated to Agni and was seen as Agni (fire). Thus, some of Agni's corporeal forms are the fire, the sun, lightning, digestive fire/jathara agni and destructive fire. The destructive fire includes forest fires and all the other 'fires' that play a destructive role at the End of the cycle. The ancient people gave Agni a broad-meaning because it was meant to include global warming, solar flares, geothermal-related stuff, magma, volcanic eruptions, earthquakes that include something hot emerging from beneath the surface of the earth, etc. The whole world is now burning in the 'fire/Agni' because of the global warming that is taking place. I will discuss Agni in relation to destruction in a later post. I have discussed Agni as the digestive fire/jathara agni at:
The ritual forms of Agni are also those which represent Agni as the fire in the bhakti practices. Since the bhakti practices were also created for the 'calling-out process' (though they were also meant for bhakti), these ritual forms were associated to the purification process that takes place in the Confluence Aged subtle region, at the End of the cycle. It is God's energies which purifies the deity souls in the Confluence Aged subtle region. Thus, Agni (as the God of Fire) was one of the most important Vedic gods.
In the Hindu scriptures, sometimes, it has been portrayed like as if Shiva/Rudra is Agni because it is God who plays the role of Shiva, Rudra and Agni (at the End of the cycle). Yet, there are also differences between the 3 gods because they are different roles which God plays at the End of the cycle.
In the Copper Age, fire myths relating to Rudra-Shiva-Agni were begun based on memories, that were emerging, in respect of what had happened at the End of the cycle. In one Hindu myth, it was portrayed that a part of the essence of Rudra became the blazing Agni which grew. The essence of Rudra represents God's energies in the Confluence Agedsubtle region. The growing aspect represents what happens through the purification process and the role of fire, at the End of the cycle. As the purification process continues, in the Confluence Aged subtle region, it is as if the fire increases in size. This will be discussed further when I discuss the Flames of Purification and the Flames of Destruction.
Agni represents God's energies purifying the deity souls in the Confluence Aged subtle region. However, the deity souls have to initiate their power of yoga with God for this purification process. Further, God uses Brahma Baba when God uses the Confluence Aged subtle region for the purification purposes. Thus, though God's energies are Agni, sometimes it has been portrayed like as if Agni includes the usage of Brahma Baba etc. This will be discussed in one if the following posts.
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Post 7: (Posted on 8-10-2013)
For more on Rama read:
Vishnu Avatars in the Four Ages or
Vishnu Avatars in the Four Ages
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